then you had plan b from john boehner, that failed as well. this is basically plan c. just deal with extending tax cuts for the middle class. deal with unemployment benefits running out for 2 million people and then deal with some small spending cuts. but not deal with the big, big spending cuts on medicare and some of those entitlement programs. that's one thing that frustrates republicans. they think the can is being kicked down on an important piece of this. spending. i can tell you earlier today republican ron lamar said the president is not doing enough. >> we need two words. presidential leadership on not just taxes rich people, we can tax all the rich people and cut their heads up and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both and the president has to lead it it and if he does i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> lamar alexander demanding presidential leadership but also making that point that it's not just about taxes. it's also about spending, harris. >> harris: you and ed talk about -- you and